Robert Groden – Coast to Coast Radio AM – November 22-23rd, 2007. 4 AM EST.
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George Noorey: What we don’t know yet Robert, and maybe some do, if someone hired the mob to kill Kennedy.
Robert Groden: Well, there you go, what you are saying is extremely enlightened, because there is a very high probability that the mob could have pulled this off by themselves, but they Never could have run the investigation, or blocking the investigation, and covered this up for now 44 years.
GN: You are absolutely right. If they had done this on their own, there would have been an investigation, there would have been convictions, somebody in government would have gone after them. It’s almost as if they were protected.
RG: There you go.
GN: It’s scary.
RG: It’s scary, and revealing too, given so much of what we have learned about the government and all that’s of the government, through various investigations that relate to this particular act and others, we know that it is not beyond the realm of possibility by a long shot.
GN: I’m beginning to learn as I get older, we’re a free society as long as we pay our taxes, we don’t ruffle feathers, and we just keep going on our way with our little blinders on our eyes, in a direction, and don’t deviate from that. If so many Americans realize that they don’t have the opportunity to vote for the person they really want because whoever gets in, the two major candidates were already put there. So those bets are already hedged. I’m beginning to wonder, as we get older, if this wonderful country of ours, this tremendous country of ours, that I spent nine years in the Navy for, and raised my children for, and has been very good to me, it’s just so disappointing to believe that there’s people in this country who just want to take advantage of everything. And I’m beginning to believe that.
RG: Well, without getting into personal political views of my own, one way or another, having just seen two elections where the man who won the popular vote is not in the White House, that’s not the way it’s suppose to be. Whatever happened to one man, one vote?
GN: …Where we’re headed is a direction that is dangerous and I think it all started around 1963.
RG: That’s absolutely correct. Without that none of this would have happened. The Vietnam War would not have happened. President Kennedy would have ended it before we lost 50,000 American lives.
GN: Somewhere along the line a group of people got together and concocted and made a decision that we are not going to lose control over what we want to do with this country. We’re going to control the Military-Industrial-Complex, we’re going to control the price of oil, we’re going to control the money system, and nobody, not any president, not any elected official, and they decided to take matters into their own hands.
RG: That’s certainly what happened here, and people who asked who killed President Kennedy, the answer is to look at what you just stated and ask yourself who profited?
GN: Absolutely, every time something happens, I say who benefits? Who were the winners when Kennedy got killed, the Federal Reserve? LBJ? Who were the winners?
RG: Both of them certainly, the Central Intelligence Agency, the military, big business, there were so many winners that we end up with an entire menu to chose from. The question for a long time has not been was there a conspiracy to kill the President? There was more than one, certainly. The question is who succeeded, and that’s the one we are still waiting for the answer to.
GN: With the special interest groups, this President must have been one of the most hated ever.
RG: If you judge a man by the character of his enemies, we are looking at a really great man, and very terrible, powerful and rich enemies.
GN: Do you think, had he been alive for reelection that he would have won overwhelmingly?
RG: I think he would have. I certainly think he would have. There are factions within the country who would have voted against him and considering how powerful his enemies were, one of whom was certainly Jimmy Hoffa. We certainly have to wonder where the union vote would have gone? And that certainly is somewhat controlled.
GN: This is ironic, you have to add Jimmy Hoffa to the mix of those people who may have known something, and he is gone too. I was one of the last reporters to interview Hoffa, Robert, back in 1975 in Detroit. I was walking him to his car, sometime before he disappeared from .....Red Fox restaurant, he wanted back in, he wanted back into the union presidency, and even though he was corrupt and cut deals with the mob and lent them pension money so they could build their casinos, and all the other things he did, for some reason he had seen the light and decided he was going straight this time, and they didn’t like that.
RG: Well, history does show that sort of thing did happen, but he did hate the Kennedys and the Kennedys certainly hated him, but he wasn’t alone. Sam Giancana, Carlos Marcello, Johnny Rosselli, there’s a whole cadre of people involved in that area of society who hated him because he was trying to cap what they were doing, trying to stop it, including his brother Bobby Kennedy. People ask also through the years, they ask why didn’t Bobby do something, did he believe the Warren Report? No he did not believe the Warren Report. Not by a long shot. But he couldn’t do anything because he wasn’t getting support from Lyndon Johnson. And just a few months after the assassination, without the Warren Report being out yet, Bobby resigned from being Attorney General, so he really had no power to do anything about this. But as President he would have done two things. He would have reopened the case and war against the mob on the one hand, and on the other hand he would have investigated his brother’s murder. And that’s something that this power group could not ever allow. So he had to be eliminated as well.
GN: Why didn’t he simply go along with the program?
RG: Who, President Kennedy?
GN: Yes.
RG: Because he realized it was wrong. He was President of the people, by the people and for the people. He saw what was wrong and tried to correct it. You mentioned several things before, including that the Federal Reserve system is basically holding us up and stealing our money out of our pockets year after year. He wanted to prevent that. He wanted to get off the Federal Reserve system and get back on the gold system, and this is one of the things he was doing that frightened some very powerful and rich people.
GN: And they weren’t going to allow it to happen.
RG: No.
GN: You know the film version, I remember as a kid, I was 13 years old, but I remember the Life Magazine photos, and they immediately came out with a theory that he was shot form the back and had this reflex action, and I remember saying to myself, even the force of the bullet, the push of the bullet would push him forward. And they came up with all these theories as to why you snap back when you are hit in the back of the head. You know, I still don’t believe that.
RG: There’s no reason in the world why you should because it didn’t happen. What they are talking about, and for those of you who are listening, this is important, they say that the reason why the President was thrown to the rear was a neuromuscular reaction. What they are refereeing to is cerebral rigidity – the technical term for it, a classic, unmistakable stiffing of the body. For anyone who has ever studied the Zapruder film, that’s not only missing, it’s not present at all. What happens is, as the President is struck, there’s a rag doll effect, his head is pushed backwards, and his upper torso and his arms all follow behind that. And this is what we are seeing. We’re not seeing cerebral rigidity at all. And then they talk about something, Thornburns’s? reaction, where his hands come up to his throat in a defending motion. Thornburn’s? is a legitimate thing that happens but it only happens post mortem, and when the President is first struck, he is still alive. It has nothing to do with Thornburn’s? at all. What it is he is snapping off on the bullet, which came from the front, and he’s in a protective motion. Also another thing too, which the Warren Commission certainly didn’t pay any attention too, at the time he was hit in the back, the bullet they say went through his body, which it never did. It took too long to hit Governor Connally. His hands were in the way of where the bullet would be going. The bullet would have gone through his wrists or arms or something, which it didn’t.
GN: You are absolutely right about that. Is there any more evidence out there that we don’t know about?
RG: Yes, there’s a lot out there. I have a new book coming out in well I’m hoping this spring. It was suppose to come out two and a half years ago, but the designer disappeared and I have not heard from him in a very, very long time and I’m considerably worried. He’s not at work and not at home, and I have had to start over from scratch.
GN: That’s bizarre.
RG: Hopefully it will be out soon, and there will be a whole bunch of brand new evidence, and hopefully people will be able to see for themselves that there’s a great deal more here than the government has ever admitted. The book will be called Absolute Proof. It will be available on my web site and at Dealey Plaza, but not at bookstores at first.
GN: Well, we’ll get you back on when it’s done, okay. Robert Groden. Next up, Gary Aguilar, MD, an expert on the medical evidence.
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